An unusual bidding situation continued.
June 16, 2009
Updated to include auction in the other room.
Sitting East you pick up:
86
Q52
743
K9873
West…….North……..East…….South
…………..1S…………Pass…….3S
4S………..Pass………5C………Dble
5D……….Dble………..?
I thought it was a no brainer that partner’s hearts were most likely shorter than his diamonds on the basis that sometimes partner would have chosen 4H instead of 4S – either that or his hand is so good it probably won’t matter….Still, there are other points of view expressed in yesterday’s comments.
I also did wonder if who was on lead came into it. I thought it would be best to have the lead coming up to partner, whatever he had. I didn’t see a reason for thinking it would be best for my hand to be declaring. Please disagree!
Board 21
Dealer North
NS Vul
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| WEST
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EAST
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| SOUTH
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As you can see, you’d certainly prefer to be in 5H than 5D. In the end Simon got out for 2 down, but this was hardly a triumph as 4S failed in the other room.
Personally I don’t see how this hand qualifies for a 4S bid. Even though the hearts are dodgy I’d rather start with 4H and then decide on the diamonds later in the auction if necessary.
In the other room the auction was MUCH slower:
West…….North…….East……South
…………..1S……….Pass…….2H
Dble………2S……….Pass……2NT
3D………..Pass…….3H………4S
All Pass
Tomorrow another unusual auction decision, which was recently given to me…a low level situation revolving around 2NT. Look forward to your thoughts!
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khokan | June 17, 2009 at 10:28 am
Firstly, the meaning of 3S should have been made clear, as a limit raise these days wouldn’t be a “standard” treatment.
It makes sense in these auctions to play that a bid of a minor shows the other major and the bid minor. In the absence of this arrangement, 4S should show a hand with interest in slam if the two suits are diamonds and hearts. With diamonds and hearts and an ordinary hand, double seems best, planning to convert 4C to 4H ie double always shows at least 2 places to play.
I agree that with 6H and 5D, you’d bid 4H nearly all the time.
I can’t see why you’d consider bidding 4NT over 4S – that should show equal length in the minors.
The only reason for pulling 5Dx to 5H is that the oppsition may not have the trump tricks to double 5H.
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david appleton | June 16, 2009 at 5:59 pm
so you want to know of the auction?
1S:2H is 3 card raise, 9+, OR 4 card, 8-9
over double, 2S is GF, asking for shortage (now asks for source of tricks, system change since), and, whereas there is no great reason for me to muck around, I wanted to know more because my well placed honours suggested I’d play 4S and I wanted to know more beforehand.
So, in the play i played fro the black kings the other way around. Ooops. operation failed.
daa
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phil markey | June 17, 2009 at 2:14 pm
wow – the opportunity to get nasty about the dappleton system just doesnt come along every day
“whereas there is no great reason for me to muck around, I wanted to know more because my well placed honours suggested I’d play 4S and I wanted to know more beforehand”
so someone stuffed up ?
but seriously – i want to distance myself from any suggestion that i am rubbishing your system but observe that lots of detail sometimes distracts from a simple thing and this is an example ? – knowing your system moderately well i’m thinking this is a common trap that needs to be avoided
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phil markey | June 16, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Personally I don’t see how this hand qualifies for a 4S bid. Even though the hearts are dodgy I’d rather start with 4H and then bid diamonds later in the auction if necessary.
fixed your post
if i’m going to bid 4 hearts over 3 spades and then sell to 4 spades i might prefer to bid 4 diamonds
i’m curious about the auction in the other room – i struggle to picture an auction where sitting east/west i wont be playing 5 of a red suit doubled
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cathychua | June 16, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Sorry, Phil, the curious Appleton/Reynolds auction in the other room has now been added to the post. I guess with the red suits being bid by the opponents, Reynolds got more excited that was appropriate (ie, given that it turns out the opponents’ fits are weak on high cards) on the South cards. But if either of them is reading this, maybe they have something to add!
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phil markey | June 16, 2009 at 5:41 pm
eeek – dave and peter play a very impressive system but its definately not my thing
looks like south messed up – given he bid 4 spades eventually i cant fathom a reason why he wouldnt do so at his second shot rather than his third – that would surely flatten the board