Still on Planet Cayne…what do you lead?

June 2, 2009 at 7:32 am 11 comments

Nil Vul you pick up:

sK4
h1J10865
d1KJ4
cK96

I’m guessing your partner has never done this to you before, you sit East:

West….North….East……South
Pass…..1S…….Double…Redble
3NT……Pass….Pass…..Dble
4C……..4S……Pass……Pass
Dble…..All Pass

The questions were, what does 3NT mean, by a passed hand, and what should you lead?

Of course, you can call me biased since I was West, but in my opinion once partner runs, at any rate, 3NT can only be for the minors. It is simply not possible that partner has a ‘strong’ (ie passed hand ‘strong’) hand and takes the unilateral action of guessing to bid 3NT and then guessing to run. That would be too sick for words.

Surely that leaves a sensible descriptive bid? Well, it seemed like a sensible descriptive bid to me. And doesn’t the fact that you have those minor suit cards lead you along this line of logic?

Equally, I think it makes the club lead the last choice. Well done Bill and Ben for the heart start. You are in nice partnership sync there.

Board 8
Dealer West
Nil Vul

NORTH

sQJ10963
h1A43
d17
cA53

WEST

sA82
h1
d1Q9865
cJ10742

EAST

sK4
h1J10865
d1KJ4
cK96

SOUTH

s75
h1KQ972
d1A1032
cQ8

Those who got off to the club lead scored….as we did at the table….-590 instead of +300 on a heart lead or +100 on the diamond lead.

Of course, it is a time when playing free-wheeling preempts should work to one’s advantage. Ie one of the things my partnership wouldn’t have for this auction is a preempt that wasn’t quite right…

Tomorrow David Attenborough takes us into the strange, dark, rarely- since-in-public world of Youth bridge. I believe he got this exclusive foottage by using that camera he disguises as rubbish bins or camel droppings, depending on his setting. I believe this time he had it camouflaged as a box of half eaten cold pizza and an empty beer can. It did the trick.

The stuff the kiddies get up to? I have to warn you right now, it isn’t for children. See you tomorrow.

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Still on Planet Cayne and a lot rides on this lead. It’s bridge, Kirk, you’re just too old to remember.

11 Comments Add your own

  • 1. pattayabridge  |  June 2, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I know it’s not much to do with the later problems, but I want to go to the very start – what is this initial double by East? With just 3-3 in the minors a 1h overcall seems clear to me. I do not like to double when holding a mediocre hand with a 5-card major, you usually end up losing the 5-3 fit.

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    • 2. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm

      Not easy to overcall 1S with 1H. Especially on BBO where you aren’t technically able to make insufficient bids, even if it looks like the best thing to do.

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  • 3. Jonathan Mestel  |  June 2, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    So if 3NT was clearly the minors, why didn’t you redouble with
    equal lengths? Admit it – you were afraid your Maths skills wouldn’t suffice to work out the score…

    Have you never had the conversation:

    “+2220”

    “That’s one in.”

    “That’s …what??”

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    • 4. Chris Mulley  |  June 2, 2009 at 4:19 pm

      Back when I was a kiddie I remember an analogous auction by Rosendorff and Reynolds; at the time, a long-standing and very successful partnership. They were discussing exactly that point – whether redouble in these type of auctions should show “equal length” or whether it should be “well if you want to play 3NT opposite minors, we’re getting overtricks”. I think they agreed to disagree. They stopped playing together shortly thereafter, from memory …

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  • 5. Ron Lel  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Well Phil, if you are going to bid 3NT on long Cs and some S stopper, then I think pulling the double is clearly wrong. You are second guessing your partner as you have no idea what partner had in her hand for the double.

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    • 6. phil markey  |  June 2, 2009 at 12:28 pm

      which is why i wouldnt be pulling the double – but ofcourse i wouldnt be bidding 3nt with the west cards

      when did you tell them it was for the minors ? – hopefully before south got a chance to pass out 3nt

      love david attenborough

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  • 7. sartaj  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:14 am

    looking forward to the next post.

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    • 8. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:15 am

      Yeah, well, if you like those nature shows, it’s a goodie.

      Reply
  • 9. phil markey  |  June 2, 2009 at 10:44 am

    3nt for the minors ??

    clearly i am a dinosaur – surely there is one bid in the system that is always natural and 3nt is it – i always agree that bidding 3nt means that you reckon you can make 9 tricks before they can make 5

    i guess next time you have this auction you will tell south that 3nt could be for the minors – in any event perhaps south should realise that its not his birthday and simply pass 3nt

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    • 10. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:08 am

      I did tell the opponents that I meant it to be for the minors. Because we open anything that looks remotely like a preempt, I must say it didn’t occur to me for one second that partner would think it was to play. To play with what???? That wasn’t already a free-wheeling (or any other sort of) preempt?

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      • 11. Chris Mulley  |  June 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm

        I am as willing as the next person to have artificial bids (perhaps even more so) and I still think 3NT should be natural. I will say, though, that I am also from the school that believes there can be a “gap” between pre-empts and 1-level openings … that would be a 3NT bid for me in the auction given.

        The only time I would accept that 3NT cannot be natural is where it is absolutely impossible for the hand to have a (pseudo) trick source and a spade stopper. That would mean playing a style of pre-empts that many would be uncomfortable with (side 4+-card major(s) or 3-suited hands,for example), possibly alongside very light openings with some distributions (AQx xxx x QJxxxx).

        Even in that instance, I would want to make sure beforehand that partner was going to be on the same wavelength, if not the same planet.

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