Still on Planet Cayne…what do you lead?

June 2, 2009 at 7:32 am 11 comments

Nil Vul you pick up:


I’m guessing your partner has never done this to you before, you sit East:

Dble…..All Pass

The questions were, what does 3NT mean, by a passed hand, and what should you lead?

Of course, you can call me biased since I was West, but in my opinion once partner runs, at any rate, 3NT can only be for the minors. It is simply not possible that partner has a ‘strong’ (ie passed hand ‘strong’) hand and takes the unilateral action of guessing to bid 3NT and then guessing to run. That would be too sick for words.

Surely that leaves a sensible descriptive bid? Well, it seemed like a sensible descriptive bid to me. And doesn’t the fact that you have those minor suit cards lead you along this line of logic?

Equally, I think it makes the club lead the last choice. Well done Bill and Ben for the heart start. You are in nice partnership sync there.

Board 8
Dealer West
Nil Vul









Those who got off to the club lead scored….as we did at the table….-590 instead of +300 on a heart lead or +100 on the diamond lead.

Of course, it is a time when playing free-wheeling preempts should work to one’s advantage. Ie one of the things my partnership wouldn’t have for this auction is a preempt that wasn’t quite right…

Tomorrow David Attenborough takes us into the strange, dark, rarely- since-in-public world of Youth bridge. I believe he got this exclusive foottage by using that camera he disguises as rubbish bins or camel droppings, depending on his setting. I believe this time he had it camouflaged as a box of half eaten cold pizza and an empty beer can. It did the trick.

The stuff the kiddies get up to? I have to warn you right now, it isn’t for children. See you tomorrow.


Entry filed under: Cayne matches.

Still on Planet Cayne and a lot rides on this lead. It’s bridge, Kirk, you’re just too old to remember.

11 Comments Add your own

  • 1. pattayabridge  |  June 2, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I know it’s not much to do with the later problems, but I want to go to the very start – what is this initial double by East? With just 3-3 in the minors a 1h overcall seems clear to me. I do not like to double when holding a mediocre hand with a 5-card major, you usually end up losing the 5-3 fit.

    • 2. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm

      Not easy to overcall 1S with 1H. Especially on BBO where you aren’t technically able to make insufficient bids, even if it looks like the best thing to do.

  • 3. Jonathan Mestel  |  June 2, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    So if 3NT was clearly the minors, why didn’t you redouble with
    equal lengths? Admit it – you were afraid your Maths skills wouldn’t suffice to work out the score…

    Have you never had the conversation:


    “That’s one in.”

    “That’s …what??”

    • 4. Chris Mulley  |  June 2, 2009 at 4:19 pm

      Back when I was a kiddie I remember an analogous auction by Rosendorff and Reynolds; at the time, a long-standing and very successful partnership. They were discussing exactly that point – whether redouble in these type of auctions should show “equal length” or whether it should be “well if you want to play 3NT opposite minors, we’re getting overtricks”. I think they agreed to disagree. They stopped playing together shortly thereafter, from memory …

  • 5. Ron Lel  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Well Phil, if you are going to bid 3NT on long Cs and some S stopper, then I think pulling the double is clearly wrong. You are second guessing your partner as you have no idea what partner had in her hand for the double.

    • 6. phil markey  |  June 2, 2009 at 12:28 pm

      which is why i wouldnt be pulling the double – but ofcourse i wouldnt be bidding 3nt with the west cards

      when did you tell them it was for the minors ? – hopefully before south got a chance to pass out 3nt

      love david attenborough

  • 7. sartaj  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:14 am

    looking forward to the next post.

    • 8. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:15 am

      Yeah, well, if you like those nature shows, it’s a goodie.

  • 9. phil markey  |  June 2, 2009 at 10:44 am

    3nt for the minors ??

    clearly i am a dinosaur – surely there is one bid in the system that is always natural and 3nt is it – i always agree that bidding 3nt means that you reckon you can make 9 tricks before they can make 5

    i guess next time you have this auction you will tell south that 3nt could be for the minors – in any event perhaps south should realise that its not his birthday and simply pass 3nt

    • 10. cathychua  |  June 2, 2009 at 11:08 am

      I did tell the opponents that I meant it to be for the minors. Because we open anything that looks remotely like a preempt, I must say it didn’t occur to me for one second that partner would think it was to play. To play with what???? That wasn’t already a free-wheeling (or any other sort of) preempt?

      • 11. Chris Mulley  |  June 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm

        I am as willing as the next person to have artificial bids (perhaps even more so) and I still think 3NT should be natural. I will say, though, that I am also from the school that believes there can be a “gap” between pre-empts and 1-level openings … that would be a 3NT bid for me in the auction given.

        The only time I would accept that 3NT cannot be natural is where it is absolutely impossible for the hand to have a (pseudo) trick source and a spade stopper. That would mean playing a style of pre-empts that many would be uncomfortable with (side 4+-card major(s) or 3-suited hands,for example), possibly alongside very light openings with some distributions (AQx xxx x QJxxxx).

        Even in that instance, I would want to make sure beforehand that partner was going to be on the same wavelength, if not the same planet.


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